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lork
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 22
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject: anyone else find this play |
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Has anyone ever seen this one before? I'm playing limit holdem, 3/6, online. I am in early position with AA. I raise preflop. The player two positions to my left reraises. Everyone else folds. I reraise him. So what does he do? He folds rather than calls!
Now keep in mind that this is online, I had only been at this table for a few minutes and never played this guy before, so it's not like he had any reason to think I would only reraise with rockets.
Someone told me this was a reasonable play for information, figuring the guy might have had AK. But in my opinion the pot odds could not justify what he was doing. There was already about $20 in the pot when he declined to call $3 and see the flop.
Anyone else find this play as strange as me? |
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ballen
Joined: 31 Dec 2005 Posts: 18
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| He could have made a mistake, or thought that he was going to get more callers, but when you went over the top again he put you on a big hand and saw no potential for his hand. Maybe j-10 or somew thing like that. |
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razor
Joined: 21 Dec 2005 Posts: 8
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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One raise is suspicious... a re-raise is even more suspicous... but the re-raise is (as he puts it) 99.9% pure... (most likely pocket rockets)
it may seem strange to you that he laid it down with very little info about you... but the bottom line is that he was right... and even if he was wrong... that play will save him money in the long run at tough tables...
If I had any indication that my opponent was smart at all... and I was playing AK... I would fold to a re-re-raise... this play is exactly by the book... If I'm holding A-K, I re-raise a raiser... but if they play back at me... they likely have a very high pair... and I don't want to go into it with only one live card...
if he had pocket Kings.. then it's a much tougher laydown... so my guess is that isn't what he had...
it's also possible that he had A-Q or A-J and was measuring you... getting some information for the cost of one bet... if you had just called... he plays the hand knowing that he likely has the best hand... but he wanted to find out if you were a weak raiser... |
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pritz
Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 15
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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The fold is absolutely terrible - if you are sure he has AA then you call knowing that there are a fair number of flops that you could outplay him on... whether you have a better hand or not. The fact you aren't sure, as well as the pot odds being so good, mandates a call.
If i had QQ, and i 'know' he has AA, i'm calling there. I know the implied odds are there to catch that set... |
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arcfinn
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 14
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| In limit, it would be VERY strange to first raise yourself and then fold to one additional reraise, because even with a weak and / or possibly dominated holding you get good odds to see the flop. Actually, I think that the person Darrow mentioned might just have pushed the wrong button. That's how a friend of mine just lost a large tournament at PokerStars. With just a few players left, he clashed with the other chip leader who called his large all-in bet with bottom pair / no kicker, when it was obvious that my friend wasn't bluffing. After calling the bet, he immediately admitted to simply have pushed the wrong button. Of course, he may also just been giving my friend the needle |
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ThomasR
Joined: 19 Dec 2005 Posts: 37
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:13 am Post subject: |
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Odd, perhaps he was reminded of a past play and that made him doubt his own hand? I'm not sure of his reasons, I wouldn't have folded and even if I wasn't confident in having the best hand at the moment, I would stay in because of the committed chips to the pot that I'd put in.
Bizarre, but then again he made you think about HIS game rather than yours, so perhaps he is into his psychology  |
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